
Bill Murphy and Bill Holter

Bill Murphy, Jim Sinclair and Bill Holter
I had the pleasure yesterday of hearing Jim Sinclair speak to a packed room of “CIGA’s.” I met up with GATA/Le Metropole Cafe’s Bill Murphy ahead of time for lunch and then we headed on down to the conference. Jim was in Dubai for most of the past week (on TRX business) and flew 24 hours to make the conference. Though he claimed a massive case of jet lag, he was sharp, witty and did what I had “hoped” he would. If you read Jim’s website then you know that “he goes there” on nearly any and all topics financial and normally doesn’t pull any punches. I have seen him speak several times before this (I attended his very first conference in 2003 in CT) and if you listen carefully he says more than he writes, he did not disappoint yesterday!
Before going any further I want to give you an idea of “who” Jim is. He started right out of the box yesterday saying that “honor” in the financial world is completely gone and that fraud is everywhere. Through his words to us you could feel his “genuity” both intellectually and spiritually. I would have no problem ever doing any deal of any size on a “handshake” with him. I’ve trained in various martial arts for 27 years and consider him the “master’s master” of finance, not surprisingly his “Eastern studies” show through if you know what to look for.
OK, so what did Jim tell us? He did do a recap of derivatives and said that any and all “pre Lehman” derivatives are worthless and that “bail ins” are scary as hell and probably inevitable. Because “honor and integrity” are long gone, no one really knows what they have in their bank accounts. Your bank statements can say whatever they say but you won’t really know what you have until after the dust of bankruptcies and bail-ins has settled. He spoke of gold’s “triple bottom” and believes it highly unlikely that the $1,180-$1,200 level will be broken or even tested again. He rightly pointed out that gold has been acting very differently recently and the “feel” has changed 180 degrees. He also does believe that the bullion banks have now become long rather than short and they will again as they did in 1979 make more money and faster than anyone else in the gold arena.
He said that even if another retest of support or even a break were to happen it will be meaningless in the big picture. Gold and silver have been manipulated “too low” in price (under the cost of production) and that the unintended consequence of creating excess demand (especially from Asia) has put them on very solid ground and in very strong hands. The “pricing” mechanism of gold and silver will change, COMEX will become a “cash settled” market and become irrelevant while the “physical settled” markets (like the one he is chairing in Singapore) that are popping up in Asia will come forward and become the pricing mechanism. He also believes that 2014 will be a year of many many “events” which will cause changes and inflection points unlike any years in the past. He believes the Euro will rise (because the dollar will drop) and that “.56” on the dollar index is the obvious target. Not surprisingly he believes that Janet Yellen will flinch on “taper” and that “QE to infinity” will resume when she goes dovish. This action by the Fed will probably move our stock markets higher and the lows may already be in.
Privately during a break, Murphy asked Jim that if the bullion banks were now long, who would take the short side? The answer to this was “no one”…which would cause air pockets to the upside. Air pockets as in no offers and flash crashes upwards faster, greater in size and more violent than we have experienced to the downside. This is something that I’ve written about many times which would lead to a “reset.” My personal opinion is that we can see one occur at any time, Jim disagrees as he believes it may occur 2-3 years out. This “3 years out” by the way is how long he believes that the next (he believes it may have already started) bull move will last which after listening to him will terminate in a “great reset.”
He had already told us all of the above through his writings, what follows is what he told us but has not put in print to my knowledge. During the Q and A session he was asked about silver. Much to my surprise he is wildly bullish! In past sessions (and writings) whenever he was asked about silver he would say that “I am a gold guy,” he was reluctant to and rarely spoke of silver. This has changed, he said and I quote, “Silver will lead and it will be gold on steroids.” He followed up by mentioning that you will need to make a decision in the future about silver, while it will outperform gold by a huge margin there is a “monetary event” out there somewhere and that a decision will need to be made as to whether to hang on to your silver or to swap into gold. Don’t worry, he was not talking “now,” now he believes that silver will trade to $50 and possibly even $100 this year.
Another shocker to me was when a question was asked regarding the (waning) status of the petrodollar. The questioner mentioned that in the past, whenever the dollar came under attack the U.S. would respond in some measure to support it, “What might the U.S. do this time around?” was the question. Jim answered bluntly and with one single sentence…”Bomb Saudi Arabia.” There was an audible gasp from the crowd as this would be horrific…but guess what; it’s very true in my opinion. First off, was Saudi Arabia to accept anything other than dollars for their oil that would be THE event that put a nail in the dollar’s coffin? I have written on this subject before that our “allies” Saudi Arabia and Israel have been thrown under the bus regarding Syria and Iran. His answer was very logical yet you could feel the shockwave through the room as he said it.
I stood in line to ask a question and naturally 2 of my questions were asked and answered while in line but Jim said something that I had not seen him definitively print before. He was asked about the German gold and he bluntly said, “It’s gone.” He said (and I love the common sense and down to Earth analogy), “If I owe you $100 and you only pay me back $1.50, then you are either a deadbeat or you don’t have it. The German gold is gone.” Another question while standing in line was about his “crazy” (in his own words) speculation that gold could even go to $50,000 per ounce at some point. He mentioned that a Goldman Sachs analyst (I did not catch the name) had also done a mathematical study and came up with the same number of $50,000 so he was no longer the “only crazy one out there” anymore.
So I got to thinking and put these 2 together as I have written on this in the past. To come up with a mathematical number for gold’s price you must have 2 pieces (really 3) of information. You must know exactly how much gold there is and how much money supply (and total debt) in order to do the math correctly. In other words you need a numerator and denominator to put into your calculator (because we can no longer do math in our heads anymore) to come up with an answer. The amount of total gold held is your numerator and that is divided by money supply/debt as your denominator…and presto you get a number.
So this is what I asked, “Today is the very first time to my knowledge that you’ve said the German gold is gone, we have not had an audit since 1956 of the U.S. gold so that may also be gone (I kicked myself later because I did not ask him what he believed the U.S. gold holdings actually are). How can you or anyone else mathematically come up with a dollar price of gold if in fact we don’t have any left? In order to come up with a true final number, we must have a real number as the numerator. If the numerator is zero then the price of gold in dollars is actually infinity?” Jim’s answer to this was simply, “You cannot, this is why I always say that gold may go to prices that amaze even me.”
To finish, I want to thank Mr. Sinclair for everything he has done over the last nearly 15 years for us “little guys.” He has put more knowledge (for free) out and into the public on what was coming and how to ultimately protect you than anyone else. He was asked “why” he did this, what motivated him? He wittily said that, “Attila the Hun killed, Mother Theresa healed…it’s what they do,” he explained that trying to help people get out from in front of the coming economic and financial train wreck is “what he does.” When listening to him speak you can feel this, it’s a “heart thing” and an act of selfless honor. Jim Sinclair is truly a “master’s master!”
Thanks for sharing, Bill.
my pleasure.
Great great stuff, and I mentioned on David’s blog that the 56 dollar number is brutal. No way will society look normal (or like it is today) in the wake of that level of collapse.
Bill the one thing I am having a hard time wrapping my weak mind around is how there can be a market price in the western world if there is none of the commodity available for redemption or ownership..? It looks to me like there could be a black out period in the western world before gold & silver take a real market value, which may come via barter. But, vendors will eventually want some form of real money to continue viable trade alternatives..ie gold & silver will become even more prominent in that environment once an agreed upon value is reached. But, what when where & how will this occur? Love to hear your input or wisdom if you have a moment… on the subject
Forgive me if it was in a past post
SG
price will be determined on physical markets in the East, we will know what they are and used as a guideline in any barter transactions.
Great article Bill. I am glad to see that Sinclair has changed his view on Silver. Unfortunately I missed most of the Gold bull market and so my plan all along has been to accumulate mostly silver at current out-of-whack silver to Gold ratio and once that ratio starts to move closer to it’s historic ratio you convert more and more silver to gold. I figure that accumulating Silver at one sixtieth of the price of gold now and converting it at one fifteenth is like buying Gold at 25% of the current price.
yes, one way to look at it except for the taxes involved.
Bill, I had the pleasure of shaking your hand as well as that of Mr. Murphy at the conference in Austin. I stood in the hall while Mr. Murphy was being asked a host of questions by what appeard, using the accent alone as my guide, to be a man of German national decent just after the conclusion of the event. I was wearing a blue Nike Jacket. Hello once again! I say this to confirm Bills writing here. All is true! I would further like to add to Bill’s statement on Jim Sinclairs charecter. Jim placed an emphasis on honor and our need to be spiritually prepared for what commeth our way. Jim is clearly motivated by the condition of his heart toward his fellow man joined with in depth industry and investing knowledge. THIS IS A RARITY in these days! I will forever be in the debt of such kindness with the only possible way of paying it back by playing it forward. Jim showed us how to truly help people. Care for them.
yes, Jim Sinclair is a special guy. Stay tuned tomorrow as I have a story about “the German guy”.
This was a very enlightening post Bill. Nice pictures for us conspiracy nuts to see. Lol! Lots of folks speak of not trusting Jim S but they offer nothing for free. Then they say we shod trust them. Many did not trust Messiah either because he was healing and giving information for free also. We must always let our true encounter with a man be our judgement of that man.
there is no upside financially to do what he does…therefore he does what he does to genuinely help us.
And for that we say thank you to Mr.Jim S and also to you Bill. I know what it is to be broke and without, so I thank Almighty God for giving me guidance in being able to come to this site and get good information where I would have normally have to pay a hefty price for either with time or money.
$50,000 an ounce is a high number. My slant on it is that it will all depend on how many grams of gold a person will be willing to pay for that much paper? i.e., in the end it will depend on the value of paper?
not “in the end”…ALWAYS it depends on the value of the paper. We may look back and $50,000 be a hilariously LOW number!
“The amount of total gold held is your numerator and that is divided by money supply/debt as your denominator…and presto you get a number.”
You do? Hmmm… gold price is a unit of $ / oz. Therefore, the numerator should be in $ and the denominator in ozs. What am I missing here?
OK sorry I had it reversed but you got the point I think.
I recall Jim once said in regard to the US gold reserves, that it didn’t matter how much is or is not there…its the perception that the US holds 8000 tons or thereabouts.
Its a matter of perception…part of the MOPE strategy.
I think he noted this several years ago on his website.
yes he did but…in the “reality” of a financial collapse “perception” will no longer be good enough.
This is one of your best articles. I’m a regular reader of your blog. Thanks for sharing the information.
Santa did share the calculation of the gold price last year on his blog. It was basically the same idea that you wrote in this article. Jim said that gold is historically used to clear trading debts. Take the debt of a country and divide by it’s gold holding. Each country has different amount of debt and gold holdings. The true price of gold is some where between the low and high value of this calculation. I guess the reason why the ratio would be so different is because gold was removed from its basic function for so long and things are out of equilibrium.
correct…or there is none.
The prediction of “50,000 per oz.” reminds me of a story told by one of my patients. To be short:
One uncle traded his farm for gold. The second traded his for dollars. Then the war between the states ended.
Fast forward to the present, ya’ll.
Now, how many confederate dollars does it take to purchase one oz. of gold?
yes Will, this is one scenario.
Sinclair being on the Board for the Singapore Exchange sealed the deal for me. We have to GOTS (Get Out of The System). While I advocate having some physical hidden at home for a situation, just processed a transfer to SGPMX.
Jim says to get totally away from the US Financial system, and that even includes the Brinks facilities abroad. US gov’t could lean on an American company to “out” physical holders all over the world.
Feels good to be in new program in Singapore and I am planning a trip later in the year to visit the Vault and see my metal there in person. Plus make a bit of a Holiday out of it. Great excuse for a “business trip” 🙂
Appreciate your post here Bill.